The Advanced Pre Ice Age Civilizations that Vanished From Earth – By Graham Hancock – video

The Advanced Pre Ice Age Civilizations that Vanished From Earth

Published on Jan 28, 2017   By Graham Hancock is one of the leading scholars in this area of study. Talk given sometime in 2012.

A physical and intellectual journey, a worldwide exploration looking for the ancient ruins of a lost civilization, this video follows clues in ancient scriptures and mythology and in the scientific evidence of the flood that swept the Earth at the end of the last Ice Age. This video explores the question of early humans swept away by the catastrophe. Who were these populations – pre-civilised hunter-gatherers or more sophisticated peoples altogether?     

Some 6,000 or 7,000 years ago in Mesopotamia, civilisation has been with mankind for many millennia longer. Examines which coastal areas vanished beneath the sea as the ice melted at the end of the last Ice Age, a catastrophic inundation we find in the Flood myths of most of the world’s traditional religions. Goes diving and finds, in some cases, incontrovertible ruins; in other cases the piles of stone might well be natural rock formations, but Hancock argues for their human origins.

 

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  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On March 28, 2017 at 3:58 pm

    Around the one hour mark for about 15 mins in the article Graham Hancock discusses Precession of the Earth’s axis and the Angor Wat temple (dedicated to Lord Vishnu) which I mention in the article on 108, below. In my original article on the significance108 for Hindus and the Mala beads I dealt with Precession but dropped it here for simplicity.

    https://guyaneseonline.wordpress.com/2017/03/21/origin-and-significance-of-mala-beads-which-are-sacred-to-hindus-veda-nath-mohabir/

    I had written:

    “Factors of 108

    Besides 108, certain of its factors such as 72, 36, 27 and 9 are also considered auspicious. A little known movement of the Earth called ‘precession of the axis’- a wobble of the axis circumscribing a circle in 25,770 years – occurs. The shift in axis of one degree occurs every 72 years (25,770 divided by 360). ….”

    Hancock uses 25,920 perhaps to make the arithmetic easier. I took my 25,772 from scientific articles, but here is Encyclopaedia Brittanica.
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/precession-of-the-equinoxes

    As well, Hancock talks about cyclic time (as I refer to in the Bhagavad Gita verses); long time frames (which Hindus refer to as the Yuga system, which is also dealt with in my original article). He also talks about the demons and the devas (gods) using the serpent, Vasuki, to churn the ocean for the Amrita – nectar of immortality (taken from Hindu mythology) and the purpose of life is to ‘improve the soul’ which is also a Hindu concept to reach Moksha (Hindus have no Heaven and Hell except what is here on Earth). Also refers to reincarnation by the Egyptians.

    So, these are other reasons which make Hinduism difficult to understand to a world where the dominant religions and thought are ‘Abrahamic’ prophet-based and literal.
    As I often say, Hinduism is not WYSIWYG. It is an ancient religion – pre-Ice Age. Graham Hancock is clearly validating this by his thesis. The context of the Ramayana epic, based on astronomical facts bear this out. (Of course, with smirks from the Abrahamic thinkers who believe in a Biblical flood of October, 4004 BCE from which the current world began).

    Veda Nath Mohabir

  • Steelkilt Charlemagne  On May 14, 2017 at 11:24 pm

    Why do people who do not understand the bible think there is a date in it when the world began? It’s ok to not believe the bible to be credible but why make up a narrative? It only discredits yourself. 4004bc ???? I have read the bible my whole life and never once heard or thought that. Not even as a child. I was talking to a rabbi once and he said the story of Noah was at least 10000 years old. We had this discussion about 15 years ago. I am not Jewish so that is two. ” abrahamic” believers that don’t think the way you classify us. May God Bless you each and every day and may we have the wisdom and courage to see it.

  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On May 15, 2017 at 2:39 pm

    “It’s ok to not believe the bible to be credible but why make up a narrative? It only discredits yourself. 4004bc ????”

    I didn’t make it up. The date comes from an “eminent” Bishop Usher. Jewish and Byzantine’s are also shown. None earlier than 5509 B.C.

    “In his day Ussher was an eminent scholar known to the foremost thinkers and statesmen in England. His collected works total seventeen volumes; the most famous of these is his Annals of the Old and New Testament, published in the 1650’s. The work is a detailed chronology and dating of Biblical history. It is in this work that Ussher said God created the world on the morning of this day, October 23, 4004 B.C.
    He arrived at this date, in part, by adding the ages of Adam and his descendants found in Genesis 5 and 11. He assumed that the Old Testament genealogies did not omit any names and that the periods of time in the texts were all consecutive. Scholars today question both assumptions. Although Ussher went by the best knowledge of his day, pouring deep learning into the subject, even then there were strong reasons to doubt his conclusions. The Jewish calculation of the creation of the world placed it at 3761 B.C. and Byzantine calculations placed it at 5509 B.C.”

    http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/6000-1-bc/usshers-date-for-worlds-beginning-11629547.html

    Do you know any non-scientific historical dates before these? Pl list a few. This/these spurious dates ‘force’ the dates of most events in school textbooks. So we learn bad history!

    Veda Nath Mohabir

  • Ron Saywack  On May 15, 2017 at 3:28 pm

    “Why do people who do not understand the bible think there is a date in it when the world began?” Steelkilt. … a rather presumptuous statement, to say the least!

    Even though no actual date is stated anywhere in the bible, regarding the birth date of the Earth, biblical chronologies and genealogies, throughout, all lead to one conclusion: 6000 years. In other words, the bible tells us so!

    While I respect people’s personal choice to believe in whatever they want, it has long been clear to me that the Genesis story of Adam and Eve is purely fictional, synonymous with the Santa Claus tale. This couple simply did not exist, they are the figment of ‘the’ imagination. Fairytale!

    Fact is, man has been walking the face of the Earth for millions of years. Yes, millions of years! A very long time ago, he began to migrate out of Africa and, over time, has settled and populated every region of the Earth. In this sense, we are all Africans!

    All one needs to do (in serious inquiry) is to take a hard, thoughtful look at the Earth, look at life in its myriad biological forms and diversity, look at the rocks and mountains everywhere, and it should become soberingly and staggeringly clear that the Earth is a very, very old place!

    Indeed!

  • Albert  On May 15, 2017 at 5:06 pm


    …….the Earth is a very, very old place!
    Indeed!

    When John Paul visited the US years back he did not visit the Catholic Church in NJ. The Bishop at the NJ church was considered a rebel. He said informed laymen knew that in terms of the age of the earth human life appeared last night. Biblical corrections were needed.

    But we read that “life” had to be on earth many millions of years ago. For instance, they say the dinosaurs were here at least 60 million years ago.
    Two challenges most ignore is understanding what is “life” and how did it originate. Entertaining these thoughts may start a new ball game……not to mention questions of the Universe.

    Incidentally, there are many theories on how life started on earth. Evolution does not deal with the origin of life.

  • Albert  On May 15, 2017 at 5:16 pm

    That is thoughts on “life” in a biological sense.

  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On May 15, 2017 at 11:05 pm

    “This/these spurious dates ‘force’ the dates of most events in school textbooks”.

    I will deal with a critical aspect of the history of India which is poorly reflected in history books because of Eurocentrism and its concomitant Biblical chronology.
    It is widely taught, believed and now indoctrinated that Central Asian white-skinned people invaded India c.1800-1500BCE,(note these are within the 4004BCE as no life or human activity could be outside that date) and drove the dark-skinned natives to South India. This immediately led to Indian colour consciousness along with some south Indians believing that they are a different under-privileged ‘race’ (called Dravidians, who are even seeking a separation from North India). These ‘white’ people are also said to have taken the Vedic religion to India. this is called the Aryan Invasion Theory!
    Never mind no one can pinpoint where these Aryan people came from; and they also came on horses! Never mind horses couldn’t get through the mountain passes. This theory has been and is still indoctrinated into all Indian minds as it is the THE history of India that the British left and the ‘Macaulayite children’ – the coconuts, mostly known as ‘secularists’ (meaning Hindu-haters) propagate.

    Never mind that a number of genomic studies show that no major entry of Central Asians into India took place; that the people of India are blended of two founder groups, peculiar to India; and that it is Indians who went out/spread out of India. Here is an extract from recent research finding. Note also the dating, much older than the Biblical dates..

    “We found that the influence of Central Asia on the pre-existing gene pool was minor. The ages of accumulated microsatellite variation in the majority of Indian haplogroups exceed 10,000–15,000 years, which attests to the antiquity of regional differentiation. Therefore, our data do not support models that invoke a pronounced recent genetic input from Central Asia to explain the observed genetic variation in South Asia. R1a1 and R2 haplogroups indicate demographic complexity that is inconsistent with a recent single history.”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1380230/

    Veda NM.

  • Ron Saywack  On May 17, 2017 at 6:18 am

    How did it all begin? You may find the following an interesting read:

    “How Did Life Start On Earth?

    Scientists do not know how life began on Earth. They do know that the early Earth’s atmosphere was very different from the atmosphere now.

    In 1952, Stanley Miller was working with Harold C. Urey designed an experiment to see how complex organic molecules might have formed under the conditions of early Earth. They believed the early Earth atmosphere would have been composed of methane, ammonia, hydrogen and water vapor.

    They sealed these gasses in an airtight container, and then exposed the gasses to sparks of electricity to simulate lightning. They continued the lightning for a week, and by the end, a reddish-brown substance had coated the walls of the container. This substance contained 11 of the 20 amino acids used by life on earth.

    Since Miller and Urey performed this experiment, its results have been confirmed many times by other scientists. Many scientists now believe that the early Earth’s atmosphere was composed of carbon dioxide, nitrogen, and water vapor.

    The Moller-Urey Experiment

    Modern experiments with this mixture of gasses produce similar results suggesting that early conditions on Earth produced complex organic molecules that probably became the basis for the development of more complex organisms.

    However, scientists have not been able to replicate the formation of even simple organisms, or anything that can really replicate itself. There are several theories as to how the amino acids might have made the leap into the complex, self-replicating life we see today.

    Metabolism – First

    Some scientists believe that metabolism, in other words – the ability to break down carbon dioxide in the presence of a catalyst into small organic molecules – was how the first life developed.

    These reactions might have evolved to become more complex, and then genetic molecules somehow formed and joined in later. There are many different theories as to exactly what types of molecules and catalysts would have been involved.

    Genes – First

    Other scientists believe that the first living organisms were genes. These genes were single molecules that had developed in such a way as to be able to catalyze their own replication.

    This theory seems more likely, since even simple systems such as crystals, have been demonstrated to evolve with modifications that breed true. Some scientists have suggested that certain compositions of clay create the right environment for these reactions to propagate.

    RNA

    RNA is a complex molecule found in all living things that seems to be able to catalyze its own reproduction. Many scientists believe that simple RNA molecules developed and eventually became more complex and developed into the organisms we see today.

    LUCA

    Astrobiologists and biochemists want to understand something they call LUCA (the Last Universal Common Ancestor). The idea is that all life on Earth has a common ancestor, kind of like a great-great-great-….-great grandmother. They search for traits that are common across all life forms and assume that any traits that are common to all life forms today must have been inherited from LUCA, who had them all as well.

    Biochemists know quite a bit about LUCA and her biochemistry. She stored her genetic information in DNA, she had several hundred proteins performing a variety of functions, and she used the same 20 amino acids we use in our proteins. She used RNA and had some kind of double-layer lipid membrane. She was probably the ancestor of the three kingdoms of life: Archaea, Eukaryotes, and Bacteria.

    LUCA lived at least 2 billion years ago, before there was much oxygen in the atmosphere. She used enzymes containing iron in her metabolic pathways the way much life on early Earth did. Studying how life arose on Earth is useful to astrobiologists, but they keep in mind that the way life formed on Earth is not the only way life could have formed. It is simply one way that it did.

    Back up to “Astrobiology”.”

  • Albert  On May 17, 2017 at 12:07 pm

    How did it all began

    Enough theories to give headaches. The last I read was of a superior people, with advance technology from a different planet, who created human life on earth as slaves for mining of precious metals. When the aliens had all they need they abandon us and left. It was an interesting theory, well written.

    Our religious brethren avoid this topic. It creates a mess for religion.

  • Ron Saywack  On May 17, 2017 at 3:32 pm

    The origin of life is always a fascinating subject matter. We, humans, are like detectives arriving at a crime scene with only clues with which to work to unravel the mystery. We have only just begun our inquiry and have made significant progress in a short span of time. But there’s still a long yet to go before the picture becomes clearer.

    The demise of the dinosaurs paved the way for humans to assume the role as the dominant species on Earth. The dinosaurs lived and roamed the planet for more than 200 million years. Their end suddenly came about 65.2 million years ago when a giant asteroid impacted the Earth at Chixulub, Mexico (today where the Gulf of Mexico is).

    The impact was so cataclysmic that it resulted in a nuclear winter. Debris was sent high up in the atmosphere in every direction, blocking out sunlight and the food chain of the beasts. The supersonic boom was so loud that it would have deafened all living forms within a considerable radius. It also resulted in a high wall of water (tsunami) rolling all around the globe.

    It was from this point, the rise of humans had begun in earnest.

    It would take a book to cover the details. But I shall conclude by stating that science is about honest inquiry. It is a continuously self-correcting process to get to the truth. But when it comes to religion, its purveyors wants you to have ‘faith’ as if, somehow, faith will magically transform bullshit into bullion.

  • Veda nath Mohabir  On May 17, 2017 at 11:30 pm

    ” But when it comes to religion, its purveyors wants you to have ‘faith’ as if, somehow, faith will magically transform bullshit into bullion.”

    Not all faiths are in this category. Numerous physicists and other scholars (eg. Oppenheimer, Neils Bohr, Shroedinger, Fritjof Capra, et al) see the unlikely Hinduism as being the most scientific (a reason why its so called ‘myths’ seem so outlandish and silly). Carl Sagan, the late famed astrophysicist, made the foll statement in an episode of his TV series COSMOS. He said he dedicated a portion of the episode to talk about the Hindu Yuga huge cosmologic time scales. He had a statue of Lord Shiva in the background, a similar one now graces the foreground of CERN HQ.

    “The Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths.
    It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang.”

    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/601581-the-hindu-religion-is-the-only-one-of-the-world-s

    https://cds.cern.ch/record/745737

    VedaNM.

    • Ron Saywack  On May 18, 2017 at 6:27 am

      Respect, sir!

      There is a widely-held view in the learned community that Hinduism is not a religion in the traditional sense, but rather, a way of life (dharma).

      Viewed from a Western lexical standpoint, Hinduism is like any other religion (mainly, of the Abrahamic variety).

      I am quite familiar with Carl’s reference to Hinduism, having read many of his epic books: Cosmos (4 times over the years), Dragons of Edens, Broca’s Brain, Contact and Pale Blue Dot, for example.

      He was indeed a giant in his time and of history, a rare gift to the species. The likes of Carl Sagan come around but once-in-a-lifetime.

  • demerwater  On May 18, 2017 at 4:06 am

    In this matter of Faith / faith vs. Religion / reality, there is the story of a little girl who was afraid of the dark and sleeping alone; because there was a ‘jumbie’ under her bed. One night, her father stripped away sheets, pillow, mattress – everything.
    “See? There is nothing; no jumbie, no ghost, no – nothing!”
    “Yes, daddy”, she tearfully appealed, “but I believe …!”
    Many years later; and a continent away, I looked at an episode of ‘MacGyver’ (I was a constant fan of the series) who was confronted with the same doubt; and resolved his problem by cutting off the legs of his bed.

  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On May 18, 2017 at 8:41 am

    Dramatic action by MacGyver. He could just as well have put th mattress on the floor. Moral: Be bold – Clear up the doubt. Examine the handed down beliefs.

    Unfortunately both of the major Abrahahic Faiths have slaughtered hundreds of millions for “faith”. Again in India, during Portuguese Catholic inquisition in Goa parents’ eyelids were either cut off or sewn open so they can see their children mutilated.
    During the just the first 5 centuries of Muslim rule esp under the Bahami Sultans the population of India declined by 50 million. Hills of Hindu skulls were normal. The historians, Durants called Muslim invasions/rule the ‘bloodiest in history”.
    All I in the name of their supremacist faiths!
    VedaNM

    • Ron Saywack  On May 18, 2017 at 3:18 pm

      “Unfortunately both of the major Abrahamic Faiths…”

      The three major Abrahamic religions are Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, in descending order of their respective founding. I am assuming, in your reference to “both”, that you mean Christianity and Islam?

      Lesser known Abrahamic religions include Bahá’i and Rastafari.

  • Veda Nath Mohabir  On May 18, 2017 at 1:50 pm

    “during Portuguese Catholic inquisition in Goa parents’ eyelids were either cut off or sewn open so they can see their children mutilated.”

    To avoid the charge that I am making this up you can google Goan Inquistion. I will cite one author, Paul Wm Roberts’, account in his Empire of the Soul. (Indian ‘Empire’, of course, is of the ‘soul’ not material riches and other people’s lands). Incidentally, English-born and domiciled in Canada, he wrote in first para of the book that he visited India over twenty times (by 1994) and it is “the only country whose airport tarmac I have ever kissed on landing”.

    ““Children were flogged and slowly dismembered in front of their parents, whose eyelids had been sliced off to make sure they missed nothing. Extremities were amputated carefully, so that a person could remain conscious even when all that remained was a torso and head. Male genitals were removed and burned in front of wives, breasts hacked off and vaginas penetrated by swords while husbands were forced to watch…. And it went on for two hundred years. ”[up to 1812]. Paul Williams Roberts, (pg 87) The Empire of the Soul: Some Journeys in India, New York, 1997.

    So cruel it was that the archbishop of Evora, Portugal branded the Inquisition Court as the most notorious, vile and infamous, corrupt and determined. And, who instigated it (after pleading with the Portuguese monarch, Dom Joao) ? The much loved and ‘incorruptible’ Jesuit priest, and later “Saint”, Francis Xavier.

    VedaNM.

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